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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Just got off the phone with Bill at GPA. He is going to send me one in the mail. He also said that it can be centered with a 200Hz test tone and after centering to do a sweep to see if it sounds ok.
    Can anybody suggest a good frequency generator for an android?
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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    I didn't realize there was any difference between replacing a small and large format diaphragm either. So you have to center it?

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWojo View Post
    Bowtie, I was not aware of the part about the spider shims. Is there some other way I can do this? I do have Mylar shim stock from 0.0005 to 0.030 thickness in sheet form. Maybe I could make one? I was thinking that it was as easy as the small format drivers.

    BillWojo
    I don't know what the appropriate thickness is, most important that the shim isn't too thick such that the assembly gets stuck on the pole. A quick call to Bill at GPA would be definitive.

    You could try just plopping one in, if it buzzes, you'll have to loosen the locating dowels and shim it. Take your time, you're working with eggshells and a 30lb hunk of iron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elitopus1 View Post
    I didn't realize there was any difference between replacing a small and large format diaphragm either. So you have to center it?
    Must be you didn't get the memo.

    http://www.greatplainsaudio.com/LgDrvrDiaRepl.pdf

    The locating pins on lg format drivers are not fixed. They allow you to remove and replace the same diaphragm in situ. But, they do not allow interchangeability like the guide pins on the small format drivers.
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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Ah I was wondering why the guide pins have phillips head screws. That makes sense!

    Guess I'll have to do the same thing when I get my new GPA diaphragms

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Quote Originally Posted by Elitopus1 View Post
    Ah I was wondering why the guide pins have phillips head screws. That makes sense!

    Guess I'll have to do the same thing when I get my new GPA diaphragms
    Your new phragms will have the spider shims packed with them.
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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWojo View Post
    Anybody that has been following my antics with my HeathKit AS101's knows that I'm on an upgrade path to make them sound the best that they can.
    Yesterday I installed my 902 drivers with new aluminum diaphragms from GPA along with the adapters I made to go from 7/8" throat to the 1" inlet 811b horn. After installing them I found the midrange to be very hot but I could hear potential in the sound quality.
    A few months back I found a set of 30904 attenuators on ebay for cheap. So today I grabbed my friend that got me into this whole Altec mess and we got to work on them. Before I did anything I let him play some music and he agreed that they needed a bit of work.
    So we opened the speakers back up and installed the attenuators. Right away we could hear the difference, much smoother with no peaky midrange, overall very very nice. I could live with these just as they are now, they have never sounded better.
    BillWojo
    Bill, thanks so much for posting your experience with the 30904 eq. I'm planning to use it in my next build, but I've never heard the effect it has on Altec horns. Good to know that that ear-splitting midrange is going to be attenuated enough to be worth the effort!

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Quote Originally Posted by bowtie427ss View Post
    Your new phragms will have the spider shims packed with them.
    Sweet!

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Does anyone know what the 30904 attenuation curve looks like and what varying the components in the attenuator does to that curve? Thanks.

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWojo View Post
    So we opened the speakers back up and installed the attenuators. Right away we could hear the difference, much smoother with no peaky midrange, overall very very nice. I could live with these just as they are now, they have never sounded better.

    Said it dropped off somewhat at the higher end but was nice and smooth.
    Kind of surprised since it's designed for a somewhat lower efficiency woofer, so in theory would be shelving down the horn too much.

    Regardless, reduce C1 to 'let through' more of the extreme HF. Way back when we were young and spinning vinyl, tapes, 0.1-1.0 uF was the norm depending on the system, so probably a bit more for modern CDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endeeinn View Post
    Does anyone know what the 30904 attenuation curve looks like and what varying the components in the attenuator does to that curve? Thanks.
    No beyond that the three resistors act as a fixed version of the adjustable attenuator [L-pad/voltage divider] and C1 is a HF bypass cap, so if you already have good Altec attenuators, then you just need to set it with no regard for how rolled off the HF is, then experiment with different caps to 'lift up' the HF to flatten it out to 15-20 kHz or whatever sounds best overall.

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    Re: 30904 attenuator works!

    I,m not to worried about the highest frequency's on my system after helping my friend Dave set up my 291-16K drivers on his EV HR9040 horns. At my request we did a frequency sweep after getting everything all wired up. He used a program on his computer and much to my dismay as I watched the digital readout as it did a slow sweep, my hearing fell out at about 10K.
    To many years of working in loud machine shops, racing motorcycles and driving with the windows open really took it's toll on me.
    Thank God the midrange on my Altecs are so sweet, I still enjoy listening, that won't stop. Still kind of bums me out though.

    BillWojo

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